Oh **** you Kansas`

[Ban Kenobi]

"Why would the Republicans need to artificially generate any fear or hate when liberals are trying to suppress Christianity, subvert the Constitution, and destroy individual freedom?"

You're too emotionally invested in this to see the reality of it. Each side has a chosen--from my POV, wildly distorted and hysterical--narrative that they flog endlessly to generate fervor and cash. I'll allow that the Democrats are generally closer to my own beliefs. But they distort plenty.

Republicans hysterically bash gays, Muslims, etc. while Democrats hysterically bash Republicans for wanting to enact laws against that harm gays and other groups. Totally equivalent!

Liberals think they are building a utopia. That's nowhere near the truth. The truth is they don't have a clue. But they hate anyone who will stand in their way of building this utopia. In large part conservatism is a reaction against liberalism. A lot of it is wrong.

No, COMMUNISTS think they're going to build a utopia.

[Sava]

I have a hard time picturing Hitler's regime maintaining control of an area the size of Russia, with or without our intervention. We did speed things up, though.

They wouldn't need to.

Germany just needed to occupy whatever city his family was from. His family would have been collaborators.

and jesus christ... this site is so dead sometimes but DAMNED if mother****ers aren't xposting me left and right today

[Sava]

meanwhile, in Kansas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal,_Kansas

The Liberal Bee Jays, a semi-professional baseball team, have won five national championships and 13 state championships. The Bee Jays have been coached by three major league managers and have sent 165 players to the major leagues.

[Elok]

Republicans hysterically bash gays, Muslims, etc. while Democrats hysterically bash Republicans for wanting to enact laws against that harm gays and other groups. Totally equivalent!

Remember the Dubai Ports "scandal"? Which party was doing the "OMG they're swarthy and can't be trusted" BS then?

More broadly:

-"assault style" weapons, i.e. guns that look scary but are functionally identical to any others. Also, every time people gasp at the mention of "semi-automatic weapons." Yep, that's right, that rifle is totally not bolt-action.
-the entire pro-life movement being supposedly motivated by irrational, bad-faith seething misogyny. WE WANT TO CONTROL ALL THE 'GINAS!
-the mythical coat-hanger narrative; try finding statistics to back it up. Something like fifty women died from complications of abortion in '72, IIRC. Maybe twice what it is today, after four decades of medical advances. You have to go back to the thirties, before antibiotics, to find deaths in the thousands.
-GM food is dangerous! (this one crosses party lines, but seems far more common among liberals)
-Nuclear power is even more dangerous! Because, y'know, coal doesn't cause any problems.
-PETA nutbars. That one's all yours.
-homeschoolers/private schoolers are all fundamentalist nuts, there being no reason but creationism to oppose the crapholes that our public schools have become (and liberalism bears slightly more of the blame for that, IMO)
-the fear of fundamentalism in general, and the Jesus-freak-as-ogre running rampant through Dinner's imagination. It's hard to say if seculars' fear of fundies is more or less silly than fundies' fear of seculars. Irreligion has been the overwhelming norm in every dominant cultural institution for a generation at least. They're living in a rapidly-shrinking cultural ghetto cut off from the mainstream.
-anti-immigrant policies being pure racism/xenophobia, ignoring their roots in economic anxiety

Probably there's more. Is the GOP sillier? All in all, yes. But both sides are blind, to different degrees, in different ways.

[Sava]

Remember the Dubai Ports "scandal"? Which party was doing the "OMG they're swarthy and can't be trusted" BS then?

Both, actually.
Numbnuts.

Those who expressed opposition to the deal included: The New York Times, Michael Savage, Lindsey Graham, The New Republic, The John Birch Society, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham; Bill Frist and Hillary Clinton, prominent politicians from two different parties; Bob Menendez, John Gibson, Jon Corzine, and Peter King. Senator Barack Obama stated his opposition to the deal. So did Senators Carl Levin and John Kerry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Ports_World_controversy

[Sava]

-the mythical coat-hanger narrative; try finding statistics to back it up. Something like fifty women died from complications of abortion in '72, IIRC. Maybe twice what it is today, after four decades of medical advances. You have to go back to the thirties, before antibiotics, to find deaths in the thousands.

Did you fall off the stupid tree today? And hit every branch on the way down?

The familiar symbol of illegal abortion is the infamous “coat hanger” — which may be the symbol, but is in no way a myth. In my years in New York, several women arrived with a hanger still in place. Whoever put it in — perhaps the patient herself — found it trapped in the cervix and could not remove it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/health/views/03essa.html

I could also go line by line and simply google to refute everything else you said. But I don't think that's necessary at this point.

The one difference between the two sides is that liberals ardently disavow their nutcases. The right embraces them.

And also, the number of nutbags on the right far exceeds the liberals. To equate the two in any way whatsoever is simply stupid and disingenuous.

[Elok]

The names I recognize from that list include several prominent, mainstream democrats, this country's liberal paper of record, another prominent liberal paper . . . and a smattering of conservative media personalities. Plus the John Birchers, who presumptively issued their protest by balling it up and throwing it out the window of their bunker. Oh, and that fvckwit Frist, I'll grant you he's GOP. I'd almost forgotten him. The bulk of the protest was Democrats. Largely for knee-jerk, partisan-obedience reasons, but still.

[Ban Kenobi]

No no you see Sava Democratic politicians are somehow connected to PETA because...

[DinoDoc]

No no you see Sava Democratic politicians are somehow connected to PETA because...

Not PETA. Occupy Wall Street.

[Sava]

The bulk of the protest was Democrats.

Uhm. No. And you've already been proven wrong. Idiot.

[Elok]

I meant "coat hanger" as a briefer byword for "an era when massive numbers of women died from unsafe illegal abortions." Easier to type.

[Sava]

Occupy Wall Street.

This is basically how the Democratic Party treats the occupy people.

[Sava]

I meant "coat hanger" as a briefer byword for "an era when massive numbers of women died from unsafe illegal abortions." Easier to type.

I'm going to you for doubling down on your already-prove-wrong statements.

Stubbornness

[Elok]

No no you see Sava Democratic politicians are somehow connected to PETA because...

Please point out where I specified "politicians."

EDIT: Looking back at my original statement, I guess it could be read that way. But I meant it as a statement about the broader culture.

[Sava]

Please point out where I specified "politicians."

Well, when you are discussing two political parties, the inclusion of "politicians" is strongly implied. You didn't specify otherwise.